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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
This was in a newsletter as I'm sure many of you will get but thought I would post for those who don't get the newsletter.
Mars Cigars:
I was hoping to avoid writing this email, but circumstances require me to keep my customers up to date.
First, I am NOT going out of business! However, just as we did about 2 years ago, we have lost our credit card processing company. They no longer will process ANY credit card tobacco sales. Unlike the situation 2 years ago, it has been much more difficult to find a replacement company.
However, it appears we will have a replacement card processor in the very near future. Unfortunately, there will be some down time before the new processor is in place.
You can still place an order via the web site until approximately noon EDT on Sunday, March 30th. At that time, I will be disabling the credit card processor to ensure all sales are processed before the official end of the current card processor.
Nor will I be able to process any credit card sales through the 'store'. However, I will be accepting mail orders utilizing money orders if you need to place an order before our new card processing complany is in place. Feel free to email about availability of product.
This is a bump in the road for us. We are doing everything possible to get through it as soon as possible and as always we appreciate your business and kind words given to us.
Please feel free to contact Mike, via email, with any questions or requests.
Mike at mars
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CommentAuthorsnuffgrinder
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
Starting to look like this bloody antitobacco persecution isn't going to end. It's a pity that people won't cancel their cards and tell the companies why. They don't have any similars objections to alcohol sales. -
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i was wondering, is this, as snuffgrinder says, as a result of selling tobacco products? like the paypal ban on tobacciana?
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Starting to look like this bloody antitobacco persecution isn't going to end. It's a pity that people won't cancel their cards and tell the companies why. They don't have any similars objections to alcohol sales.
Does this have anything to do with the various individual cards - like Discover, Visa, etc.? Or is this some middleman between the card and merchant? I can tell you one thing, I have plenty of these cards and if any one of them attempted prohibit what I could use it for, I would cancel them in a heart beat and use another. -
Its the middleman.... the company that processes the cards. They are afraid of processing an order from a minor and then being sued, so they just refuse to deal in certain products. I have a good lead on another company.... it may be a little while until it is finalized.
Then I can concentrate on carrying Dingler and perhaps Toque snuffs. -
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008 edited
Hopefully you find someone who will deal with tobacco. Maybe you'll have to end up doing what Fred Stoker & Sons does by keeping a copy of the persons drivers license on record to guarantee the persons age? -
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wow that sucks hard. Is the fact that u have to be 18 to get a credit card not ID enough. I realise an under 18 can get their parents one without permission but who's liable for that if not the parents..?
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I love that it would even be their responsiblity. Especialy since I think that a minor ordering tobacco is pretty far out in most case considering they would probably have the package sent to their own house which would mean a lot more hassle then it's worth because their parents would have more access then if they hid it in their rooms. Plus if can't most teens do what we always did which is find someone old enough and have them do a little favor. Or do teens these days not know how to make friends???
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haha,people i know used to just ask a homeless person who was near a bottlo, i guess theres no homeless ppl with the internet and a cc, lol.
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
You can get a credit card if your under 18. Anyone can get a prepaid credit card. So a credit card is not enough to verify age. -
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oh i forgot about those trout.. :)
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008 edited
I know what Stoker's does by keeping a copy of your drivers license is a little pain for the first order but after that its smooth sailing. Its only a pain because your first order you have to do by mail with a photocopy of your license. So if it came to it, maybe that would be an option to put the processing company at ease? I would think that would take away the liability. -
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I'm afraid this is yet another example of how the litigant society is intruding into our lives; people are just afraid of getting sued, simple as that. This has now permeated throughout the professions as well as business - you have doctors and cops afraid to do their jobs because some gray suited little worm of a lawyer will take any old bulshit to court. Im a cop and right next to my station is a law firm with a sign up asking anyone who has been arrested to come in discuss filing a suit. Don't get me wrong, sometimes people have a genuine need and should be supported, but a lot of it is pure money grabbing - all down to a thing called 'precedent'.
Sorry for the rant. I don't use Mars but hope they get sorted -
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008 edited
Yeah there are tooooo many frivolous lawsuits out there. From the person suing because the coffee was to hot & those who tried to sue McDonalds because they said the food made them fat. And the newest one that really made me shake my head was the lady who's suing the casinos for $20 Million because she gambled away over $1 million. Read the article if you haven't heard of this. Its actually not the first time someone has tried to sue casinos for taking their money. Thats like suing a television company because it made you a couch potato and you gained weight as a result. Or suing Paris Hilton because you stumbled in the dark and hurt yourself trying to make your own night vision porno. -
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for some reason that link wont activate for me
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
Try this link snuffster. If that doesn't work, just do a search for: Arelia Taveras Casino -
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Thanks, that worked. That story is unbelievable! If she gets away with that something has gone badly wrong.
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
If you look up frivolous lawsuits or stupid lawsuits you will see some real good ones.. There are tons of criminals suing because they got hurt while committing their crime. Like people breaking into homes and getting hurt etc., getting hurt during police chases, all sorts of winners out there. -
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- CommentAuthorBigSnoot McSnuff
- CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles. Hope you get something worked out soon. Glad to hear you may start carrying Dingler and Toque, I think it is a fantastic idea. I would definitely be putting some of both products in my orders. Good luck with this working something out with the credit card problem, either way you won't be losing my business, good service is hard to find in this day and age, and mars has always been very good to me. -
mars - you've had your fair share of problems. I hope you get everything sorted out soon.
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You know just today I went to mygrizzly.com It is the website for Grizzly an american moist snuff company. To even look at their website I had to fill out so much information to prove my age. I had to give them my license number as well as the last four of my social. The site claimed all that was for age verification, why can't online stores use such technology to at least help verify age?
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CommentAuthorsnuffgrinder
- CommentTimeMar 30th 2008
That new Grizzly Snuff isn't worth the trouble. It's not that all different from Kayak, but I'm sure that it will eventually be more expensive. But that snazzy metal lid on the can must be worth the difference. Big Tobacco must really believe that American tobacco consumers are just plain stupid. -
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I saw that sign at my local gas station, and when I read "Grizzly Snuff" I got excited and actually thought it was a nasal snuff. Thats why I signed up for their website. Guess its not though, I keep forgetting that what we up here call "dip" is also snuff.
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 30th 2008 edited
The word "snuff" is just defined as smokeless tobacco that consists of cured, finely-ground tobacco marketed in various forms. So in all reality, dip is snuff. It can be confusing sometimes though with the word snuff in Europe is traditionally known as a fine tobacco which is inhaled through the nose.
snuffgrinder, do you mean Grizzly is not that all different from Kodiak being they are both from Conwood & Kayak is from Swisher. The Kayak is dirt cheap and not all that bad for the price and to me is a lot different than Grizzly. But I do kind of like Grizzly fine cut natural. Do you remember a few years back when Copenhagen was putting out their anniversary lids? They had like 4 different designs/lids that came out at different times kind of like the new state quarters. Just the different lids alone did boost the sales of Copenhagen. A few years later they did it again with a colorized/anodized lid. -
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CommentAuthorsnuffgrinder
- CommentTimeMar 30th 2008
The Grizzly snuff is a coarse-cut and seems to contain a lot of stems, just like Kayak. The flavor is quite a bit different from the Grizzly Natural and the Kayak. It's sweeter and has a wine or brandy predominant note and fades fairly quickly. I'm not a wintergreen fan, so I haven't dipped Kodiak in a lot of years. I tried it once and that was enough. -
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CommentAuthorTroutstroker
- CommentTimeMar 30th 2008 edited
Yeah I don't really care for any mint type dip except for Hawkens but its more like Pepto. But bar far the worst dip I ever tried was Skoal Cherry. Just thinking of that smell right now gives me the shakes. But Kodiak does have a Straight flavor and thats the one I have tried before.
Maybe the Grizzly Snuff is the same or very close with Cougar Snuff. I'll have to get a can and compare. Cougar is cheap as dirt around here. -
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Curious as to whether anyone has tried the new Beechnut called Fire-cured? I noticed it at Walmart sometime back. I don't chew anymore but if I were to take it up again I'd like to try the various twists that Stoker used to offer. I remember that they offered both fire-cured and air-cured twists, both sweet and plain. When I stopped chewing I had been using W. B. Cut which is pretty good tobacco. Not too sweet. I don't think I could ever go back to the plugs again that I enjoyed in my youth - way too sweet. But God, I love tobacco! Maybe I should get one of those twists and try it as a suppository?!
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CommentAuthorsnuffgrinder
- CommentTimeMar 30th 2008
"Maybe I should get one of those twists and try it as a suppository?!" For some reason, this reminds me of ex-Prez Bubba C. & his chubby girlfriend. I'm awful glad that he didn't chew tobacco. Of course if he had, it would have been; "I chewed tobacco once, but I didn't swallow." -
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Damn it I missed the deadline. I tryed to make an order at about 5pm EST and it wouldnt' go through. Ohh well guess I will have to wait. The second they are back up and running I will e ordering. Any ideas of some new snuffs I should try? GIve me some good ones so far I tried some of the Poschle, Toque, and American Rooster.
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