Stu90: When I quit cigarettes, I used everything on the market to fight the addiction. I still enjoy nasal snuff, but also snus, Stonewall dissolvable bits, Oliver Twist and three different types of e-smoking devices. I have the mini cig, cigar and pipe. In each, a battery heats an atomizer that vaporizes some liquid. It's not "smoke" you see, but vapor. You inhale the vapor. The liquid contains adjustable quantities of nicotine (I use the "extra high" 24mg liquid). I refill cartridges with e-Liquid ordered online from China.

These can give you quite a hit, by the way. I often combine one with snus for an extra kick. The pipe was $65 with shipping from China; the cigar was $34 and the mini cig was $18. You can find all kinds of information at forums like www.e-cigarette-forum.com

It just might well be the future of smoking. It depends on whether the FDA gets involved in calling this a "nicotine delivery device", which would require years of medical testing for approval. Right now, I'm buying all I can afford to stock up.

Quote: "It just might well be the future of smoking..."
Ahh What a bleck ,horriable futrue we will live in!! LOL

If inhaling a vaporized liquid becomes the future of smoking ,instend of just a methond to quit I better start plans on tobacco revserves for personal use.

But seriously congradulation on quitting cigarettes. I have stoped smoking cigarettes about 8 months ago but pipes and cigars are a habit i cant (or secretly don’t want to)break. I do however try to limt my self tho.

I think it would take a lot to have a complete ban on tobacco in the US. Since the big tobacco almost runs the country. They have a lot of money and a lot of lawyers. Also a ban would effect so many families who grow tobacco to put food on the table. That would create mass unemployment from the tobacco factories, tobacco farmers, tobacco shops & all involved in sales, the company making the paper & filters & packaging. Not to mention the huge loss in tax revenue. You would have whole towns go under.

Quote: "No, the government won't ban tobacco. But it is banning smoke. Even in private cars and shared buildings. Who knows where we go from here."

Spot on with that due to pressure from the anti tobacco lobbist and due to the decline in social exceptece of smoking the goverment will impose as many smoking bans and taxes as they can to mantain the image that are cranking down on tobacco. But really this ban will do little to smokers execpt remove another area of pleasure(I cant even light up inside a pub now days) and discourage only a very small amount of smokers to stop. While the bulk of smokes still remain at the mercy of taxes
The main reason I don't like the tobacco ban is this in the state (in AUS) were I live there is a ban effective in all pubs, gaming rooms , cafes, ect but there is one place were these rules do not applie: the high rollers room at the casion. It seems that the peole who imose these bans don't practice what they prech.

I have to say again I think the pub is the last place smoke should be banned, the street makes more sense. As far as employes at these places if you don't want to be around smoke go work at a chain restraunt or a restraunt sure there is less money but a pub certainly shouldn't be about health.

I'm not sure how to quote someone on here so I'll just type it out:

Quote from Mo: (Oh yeah, and about the getting High off it issue…there is Industrial grades that have a very low THC content to them…. So low that you could sit in the middle of a burning field of it and not get high!) Don't believe me...educate yourself.

Here is a really good link with factual information about industrial hemp vs marijuana.

I echo Mo, "educate yourself."

And on the topic of the E-ciggs and such, I'm dumbfounded at the prices they charge! You can toss tobacco into a vaporizer for the same effects at a much cheaper price!

industrial hemp does have thc but the marijuana and hemp plants both also have chemicals that counteract thc hemp just has enough that you can't get any high off of it. As far as being able to get high or not I don't see why it matters you can get high off lots of things that are legal that are also a lot worse for you like gasoline for example or cheap booze.

Quite simply, the density of the field in which they are grown will tell you what they are grown for as well as the physical appearance of the plant itself.(ie fiber type, oilseed type or flowering-bud-THC-latent-smokable-get-high-type) Also, all agricultural fields for Industrial production would be known to and visited by your local FDA/USDA inspectors (just like every other farm in the Country.... so the hard to distinguish excuse is just that...an excuse!)

Bans and prices are reasons to add an e-smoking device to your nicotine fix regime. I find that I can use my e-smoking device just about anywhere. I used it at work and showed it to Big Boss. He liked it. No more wasted time on smoke breaks. And if I get hit on in a restaurant or somewhere, I tell 'em my doctor prescribed it to get me off cigarettes, that it contains no tobacco, and makes only harmless vapor with nicotine in it. "No smoking" bans don't apply to these. Usually the dumb asses will just scratch their heads and say "I'll be damned." I'm telling you, these things have a place in a smoker's life. Each day is a new discovery.

And, after a month or so, they're cheaper to use and maintain than just about any smoking method except maybe a pipe. I've only been at this three months now, but I think I'll settle in at about $20 a month for nicotine liquid and replacement cores for the devices. Figure a new battery every three to four months.

These comments are just how it seems to me, I'm no real expert but I think smoking will go, the lawsuits and PC brigade will see to it eventually. Big Tobacco is powerful but they can be defeated and are being more and more often - they could not stop any of the bans, in the UK they couldn't even get ammendations to allow smoking in private clubs. As long as China and India exist as developing markets, BT could probably happily diversify to other products in the West. It will be interesting to see how it goes with snuff and other smokeless products, I just wouldn't be surprised if that old spotlight didn't fall on it and we get snuffing bans - these people are so monumentally determined to tell us what we can do with our bodies and how often can you trust governments to make sensible decisions? When it comes to marijuana the only politicians that would take a common sense view are ones that don't have any ambition - and there are not too many of those

Its a hard one to call Roderick. As an ex heavy smoker - 30 roll ups or a pack and a half of Bensons every day - I can see the attraction but I think that any electronic/vapour/pseudo - smoke device will still be regarded in the same way as cigarettes in places where bans are imposed. Anything that is lit and inhaled will treated as smoking, whether the vapour is smoke or not. I've not read the UK legislation but I am familiar with the way laws are written and this would either be covered already or an ammendment quickly made if the devices caught on.

There may be a market - if the devices are shown to be less harmful - with smokers who are worried about their habit or who want to quit - but I would guess it would be limited; the sort of thing you try once and then just can't be bothered with. When the 'Nicorette inhalators' were introduced - which are like these bar the lighting up - I had one for about a week but it simply wasn't close enough to smoking to make me carry on with it. Smokers want cigarettes with the heavy nicotine hit etc and they want to be able to buy them conveniently at any store - I certainly did.

I genuinely believe that the way ahead for people who want to quit is through snuff - it has literally saved my sanity after many miserable, failed attempts to quit cigarettes. The fantastic thing about snuff is that you don't lose tobacco. Nicotine by any other route just doesn't satisfy. I think these devices are a dead end and anyone in this day and age that sells tobacco would be well advised to concentrate their efforts on snuff.

Obviously, these comments are entirely personal and I'm sure other members will have their own views.

Nigel

Hi Guys - i'm fairly new to this forum so excuse me if this publishes incorrectly or something.
I can however relate to these new electronic cigarettes very closely as I have just started using one. It is a heaven-send for me because before I was spending a fortune on cigarettes and having to put up with my clothes smelling and now I spend barely anything and no smell! I truly belive that whoever created this deserves a medal and to answer Rodericks question above - i'm fairly confident that there is a market for this and your collegue should continue.

I'm not entirely sure about the cost of these things but I do know that they're going for £60-100 and around $160 - managed to find one for £30 quid from http://www.cigstar.co.uk with a free shipping offer and now they're providing me with refills! Superb!

Hope this helps and for anyone not sure I definately recommend going for one.

Better yet - cook up some of that there hemp they're growing in California!

They'll probably classify them as a drug delivery device in the US like they did with the Favor smokeless cigarette back in the early 90's and require a doctor's prescription to legally obtain one. Congress did this in response to intense lobbying from the anti-tobacco movement, not the drug companies. If people stopped using cigarettes, I guess those bastards would have to get real jobs.

Then the antitobaccoites are either dupes or whores as well as lying unreasoning fanatics. Don't count on them ignoring anything. I have it on good authority that they, including some governmental agencies, even snoop into private messages on tobacco forums looking for dirt.