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I looked up this thread because the first time I successfully snuffed W. E. Garret Scotch Plain I tumesced (right in the middle of a Sarbucks, no less!). Whenever I try a strong snuff after some time with the lighter ones (such as Wilson's or F&T), the same thing occurs. Further, if I stick to snuff only and forgo the nix stix and the pipe, I find easy, frequent and very full
accounts of the news of the world. Later on BBC America: Nasal snuff, is it time for a comeback?
@joesnuffer thank you so much. Glad someone else refers to cigarettes as the crack of the tobacco world. Cause that is precisily what they are. Any other form of tobacco is more natural and safer.
For what it's worth: a cancer researcher I talked to said (perhaps paraphasing here) "There's no doubt that cigarrettes are bad for you (you have a 90% of not getting cancer from them), but American moist snuff/dip is actually worse. " and he went on to say that they simply don't know how safe cigars are yet...
I'm just repeating what he said- don't shoot the messenger, btw he smokes a pipe. :)
thank's bob for being so respectfull
He works for one of the Mayo institutions. He did say clearly that cigarettes are bad, but that the moist snuff/dip is even worse, mentioning not only oral cancer but bladder cancer and if I recall stomach and other cancers. He did not say anything about Swedish snus. I can't say he's infallible, but he has no ties to the tobacco industry other than that he smokes a pipe. As far as I know the Mayo clinics and researchers also have no tie to big tobacco, I also don't know what affiliation they may have with drug companies, which would be more likely. But I don't see any motive for him/them to make this up, or be biased. Is it possible they have an ulterior motive, yes, but I don't know what it could be.
I know someone who knows him well, maybe I can get a hold of him and get directed to the info/studies he was citing.
To be sure I'm being clear, I'm simply repeating what I've been told by a few sources, and I'm trying to be as accurate as possible here, one of these sources is probably more reliable than the other two. This consensus by some folks, may be because they say dip has a higher (supposedly 50% more of one carcinogen in specific) ratio of some carcinogens than the ciggie tobacco. One source is saying that it's American dip's use of fire-cured tobacco, presumably a fairly higher proportion than in ciggie tobacco. I remember a news article about a cigarette maker some years ago using only non-fire cured tobacco in an attempt to make a safer smoke. Although I didn't have the presence of mind to ask the researcher about Swedish snus which supposedly contains less of many nasties than domestic dip, I personally agree with many that it's safer than cigs. Also I've noticed how many products from Europe are actually monitored for the levels of tsn's apparently the suspected carcinogenic culprits seemingly most worried about. If I recall right, Oliver Twist discloses the levels of those substances. In a nutshell, I'm personally much more comfortable with the Swedish/German/Dansih products. Of course this is for conversation's sake, and I gather this is a rather heated debate after some Googling. Also or what it's worth, from yet another source (an oral health specialist), there is much less risk of oral cancer from smoking a pipe than from domestic oral tobaccos. He made a statement that he just hasn't seen pipe smoking causing oral cancer, while he has seen it caused by cigarette smoking, and smokeless tobs. This doc does exams and/or procedures every day five days a week. Feel free to take this all with a grain of salt of course.
You do make some good points there. I still must look into some of this further. I definitely can see the cigs causing it more than Swedish snus, or many oral products processed a certain way, being more or less natural etc. But I still have more questions about this.
Yes, I've heard about the issue with grilled meats. Btw someone indicated that using something on the meat before grilling prevents/minimizes the development of the nitrosamines. It might be the hops in beer, or some common spice or herb. It's nothing exotic as I recall, but darned if I can remember.