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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
     # 31
    The Rep. left his number for me. I'll give him a call tomorrow and see if he can come up with anything.
  2.  # 32
    I'm down if we can find any....
    • CommentAuthormars
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
     # 33
    If I may cut in....
    If anyone does talk to a rep, tell them I'd love to hear from one, lol.
    What would really be interesting is how many blends are actually the same blend and just re-labeled.
    mike at mars
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
     # 34
    I was wondering that as well Mike. I'm was thinking that the production and supply of it sounds a little like what Poschl does to some of their blends.
    I put a call in to the Rep. and left a voice mail for him. He called me back last time right away. I'll post more after I talk to him.
  5.  # 35
    Good call on that one Mike, I am almost certain that the Tops and Navy Sweet Snuffs are one and the same.

    BTW, any word on getting in any Latakia Orange?
  6.  # 36
    Yeah I'm sure they rename items for regional marketing. But I still would like to try it.

    P.S. Mike, great job on the website, everyone here has nothing but good things to say about the service provided at MarsCigars.
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      CommentAuthorbob
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
     # 37
    Yes Mars cigars rocks. That is also where I get my pipe tobacco. Which I think I might go smoke some of now. :)
    • CommentAuthormars
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
     # 38
    More Latakia Orange is on its way.
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      CommentAuthorbob
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
     # 39
    One thing I've wondered about the latakias from dutch windmill is do they not sell them in anything but bulk in the u.s.???
  10.  # 40
    Just a little reading that came off of Swisher's Annual Report to Stockholders. I know a few of us have talked & read about sales reports before, but I thought I would throw it in while we are on the subject of Swisher for some of the newer members who haven't.

    Swisher Dry snuff is made from Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia
    dark fired tobacco that has been aged for at least three years and then
    fermented for approximately thirty days. After fermentation is completed,
    the tobacco is dried and cut into a fine tobacco flour that is flavored
    prior to packaging. Retail sales of dry snuff in 1996 were an estimated $76
    million (4.7 million pounds). The Company sells dry snuff under numerous
    brands including Tops, Navy, Railroad Mills, Superior, Buttercup, Square,
    Society and Honey Bee. Although the unit market for dry snuff has declined
    at a compound annual rate of approximately 6.1% over the past 10 years, the
    Company has maintained a relatively constant market share and has generated
    substantial cash flow from the sale of its dry snuff products.The dry snuff category,
    with its substantial profit margins and low marketing costs, helps generate strong
    cash flow for Swisher.

    (low marketing costs) this probably is why its hard to find any info or distributers of the less known Swisher products. They don't push their products.
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      CommentAuthorstitch
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
     # 41
    Good insight. What I don't understand is how they are so calm about the dry snuff market evaporating by almost half in the past ten years. They just charge twice as much as ten years ago, if people will pay it, why worry? Probably their customers are just dying off - old dippers in the south mainly I'd venture to say. Are they really content to watch this market collapse in the next ten years? If I was an executive at Swisher, I'd be looking for ways keep that cash cow alive!

    And speaking of profit margins, I a can only imagine the spectacular spreadsheets for a snuff maker producing on that scale. I doubt those pocket cans cost them more than a quarter to produce.
  12.  # 42
    They're probably judging it against all their other offerings, as tobacco is in general decline now. losing 50% of a market isn't that big a deal considering the only real money they've spent is the developing of plastic containers. In a climate that is altogether unfriendly to tobacco products, this may be their only source of revenue that isn't drawing heat, and it could be wiser to keep it that way than to draw attention to it. The strong cash flow they're talking about could be the $2 they pocket on every tin they sell, not a growing market.
  13.  # 43
    Well since they are the largest manufacturer & marketer of cigars in the world, they could probably see a huge drop in sales and still have a lot of profit to show. I think anything else that makes them money is just a bonus. They could probably stop selling smokeless tobacco products all together and still show profit.

    As far as the Swisher/Helme High Toast, I think anyone close enough should take a trip to the factory or to the tobacco shops in West Virginia to find it.

    4000 Water Street
    Wheeling, WV 26003
    Phone: 304/232-4000
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      CommentAuthormerdock69
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2007
     # 44
    God know is in the end we're probably just snuffing ground up phillies blunts anyway ;-)... Their only cost is the cost of packaging, they obviously don't spend anything on marketing.
  15.  # 45
    The packaging is probably just recycled fish food containers anyway!! LOL
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      CommentAuthorbob
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2007
     # 46
    Don't you people realize that elves leave the tins in their warehouses every night. So production cost zero. Shipping is all they have to cover. Of course anyone who knows about elves knows they don't like publicity.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2007
     # 47
    It seems we have hit a dead-end on this issue Gentlemen. The only thing we can do, as suggested by Troutstroker, is to keep our eyes open at our favorite local tobacconist to see what they carry differently around the Country. If anyone runs-up on one of these blends, let us know if you are willing to work a trade.

    I've been slacking and have not yet done my part to check-up on the two outlets the Rep spoke of....but I will. (Put the stones down!) :-)

    Mo
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     # 48
    I went by one of the outlets over the weekend. No new snuffs were available, but I must say that I was impressed with the quantity and selection of our well known favorites. Every American snuff that we are all aware of (and available at Mars)thus far is available and not only in the 1.15oz tins but the 4.6oz tins as well.(under 10 bucks for the large tins)
    Anyone want a quadruple dose of any of these?
    • CommentAuthordeficiency
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     # 49
    I found some railroad scotch recently at a gas station called tobacco town. So far the ones in my area are the W.E. Garretts -Sweet and Scotch, Garrett Rappee, Bruton, Red Seal and now Railroad Mills Scotch.

    I know that RR is someone's favorite, but I can't remember who. That is a strange snuff, it smells and tastes drastically different to me every time I take it. Sometimes it smells like coal tar, or diesel (in a satisfyingly manly way) other times the smoky BBQ, and sometimes even slightly peppery. Good snuff though, I bought two tins and I keep one near the throne in case I'm ever in need :)
  20.  # 50
    I believe it was Mountain Man.
    • CommentAuthorJeff
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2007 edited
     # 51
    The magic of Google led me to this: http://sunnywholesale.com/cart.php
    (look in left column, click on "snuff")

    This apparent wholesaler has the aforementioned DeVoe and Railroad Mills Maccoboy, plus several more kinds I've never heard of (Strawberry Sweet Snuff). No High Toast though. I hope this is helpful!
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      CommentAuthorstitch
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2007 edited
     # 52
    GOOD LORD. The elusive checker berry too. What a boring label. Maybe someone for Mike to talk to re minimum orders. Count me me for one of each of the rare ones.
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      CommentAuthormerdock69
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2007
     # 53
    I love RR mills...
  24.  # 54
    Anyone want to go in on an order from that page some interesting snuff too buy on there!!
  25.  # 55
    Yeah thats the site I look at from time to time to see if there are any new snuffs available. Its what put DeVoe & Maccoboy into my head when I mentioned it to Mo. I saw the DeVoe on there about 6 months ago & have since been searching through the internet trying to find some. I knew of the old Eagle Mills but did not know they were still producing the DeVoe. I have had the Maccoboy a few years back, a nice rose snuff. I know omegapd has an old bottle of it as well. I would sure like to try the DeVoe but don't want a whole pallet from the wholesaler. They also have both the plain & the sweet Tops.

    @ Jeff, I did a review of the Strawberry If you click the link you can read my opinion on it & you will see I took the pic of the strawberry can from sunnywholesale.
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      CommentAuthoromegapd
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2007
     # 56
    My Maccoboy snuff went into the trash can. It was awful, awful stuff.

    EW

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