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We have just been told that to get our FDA registration we must carry the "Warning: This product can cause gum disease and tooth loss" or ”Warning: This product can cause mouth cancer” You've got to laugh; otherwise you'd be pulling your hair, or should I say teeth out, by the roots.
The warning that sort of works is:“Warning: Smokeless tobacco is addictive.” However they all must be rotated at regular intervals. -
It's 'caus in the US, snuff is for oral use.
Is there a way to put all 3 warnings on each tin?
Maybe just make the top all warnings, and put the proper label on the bottom.
Hmm, I don't know, it is stupid. -
Oh, and I guess Poschl, and whoever else will have to as well.
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A skull and crossbones would be cool.
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I have just spoken to Regina M. Benjamin's office, they had no idea you could put tobacco in your nose and referred me to the regulatory body of the FDA. Unfortunately they have just suffered a major storm and are struggling to get things working, however they will phone me back as soon as they can.
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CommentAuthorPike Mopers
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
Do what they do in India. A big sticker with a scorpion that says "tobacco causes cancer". -
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The FDA are dazed and confused once again. Refer them to the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) document 15 USC 307.3 (f) where smokeless tobacco is defined for the purposes of labeling.
"(f) Smokeless tobacco product means
any finely cut, ground, powered, or leaf
tobacco that is intended to be placed in
the oral cavity, including snuff, chewing
tobacco, and plug tobacco."
By their definition, confirmed in a phone call (admittedly several years ago, so things may have changed) nasal snuff is NOT a smokeless tobacco and therefore requires NO health warning. I have argued this on several occasions with customs officials, who then contact the TTB, who refer them to the FTC. I have always prevailed, since, after all, it is the law.
Dave -
I'm looking at my package of WE Garrett, and all it says is "Warning: This Product Is Not A Safe Alternative To Cigarettes".
Who knows how old it is though. -
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CommentAuthorenten-eller
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
Dave, 15 USC 307.3 (f) is still the same and specifies 'oral cavity' -- http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=16:1.0.1.3.31&idno=16#16:1.0.1.3.31.0.26.4 -
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Hrrm...if that's the definition of "smokeless"...could this be a PACT loophole?
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I'm afraid not, Carol. PACT includes tobacco products that are taken into teh nasal cavities.
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CommentAuthorenten-eller
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
@Carol: I think all the american ones have that warning. I just looked at a container of Three Thistles. I think they're telling Roderick he's gotta do like the american oral moist 'snuffs' (aka dip). -
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CommentAuthorenten-eller
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
That will mean the american ones have to change their warning labels. -
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Haha, gotta love how weird and convoluted this all is. But yeah, a little bit more... streamlined health warning would be nice. Not that we can ever have anything nice.
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- CommentAuthordevilock76
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
So in short, it appears the FDA has no clue what it is they are labeling, what it does, or how it is used, and they are the governing body?!?
Ken -
From another of my posts:
Just opened a new case of CC Sweet. First time I've seen this warning on the outside of a box of 12.
The tins have the same big black warning on them now as well. -
Yep, figured that one was coming.
Swisher can't complain, they already ruined their cans by putting that god awful "Flavor-Seal" crap on there. -
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CommentAuthorenten-eller
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
@bakdoor: So, they've already made the change and are in compliance. Did the CC Sweet boxes have the other apparently obsolete one("Warning: This Product Is Not A Safe Alternative To Cigarettes") on them before, Tom? -
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CommentAuthorPipenSnusnSnuff
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
@devilock76: The FDA has been clueless and/or hopelessly compromised by conflicts of interest with regard to pharmaceuticals for decades. Why should it be any different with tobacco? -
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Only have the new so I can't tell.
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- CommentAuthordevilock76
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
PSS, you could say that of most of the federal government!
Ken -
Just put a seperate easily removed label on the tins so that at least people dont have to look at it all the time
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- CommentAuthorwildwilliam
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
God, I'm getting tired of Granny Guv messing in folk's lives. I can't begin to tell you what I think of all this or I'd get banned for the language. -
Dean Swift, a nasal snuff marketed soley in the US contains no warning whatsoever. Point that out to them, Roderick.
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CommentAuthorenten-eller
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
You are not alone. that's for sure. one negatively critical comment after another on here. the 'powers that be' have had us where they want us for many, many moons. -
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- CommentAuthorFrigginSantaClaus
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2010
-----> THE REASON FOR THE ORAL WARNING <-----
It is (or has been) customary for Elderly White Women in the Southern United States to use snuff in the following manner:
A) Git yerself a twig off a Hickory tree.
B) Stick twig in yer mouth and soften it up by gently chewing it.
C) Once twig is softened and slightly frayed, stick wet end of twig in snuff box and git 'er fulla snuff.
D) Stick twig back in mouth 'tween cheek and gum, and jist kinda gnaw gently on it, swishin' it around yer mouth.
E) Repeat step D as often as needed er until yer stick falls apart.
F) Dispose of used twig by tossin' it on the ground fer the Dog to finish off.
I don't make these things up folks, Hell, I'm FrigginSantaClaus.
Would Santy Claus pull yer leg? -
FrigginSantaClaus: "Would Santy Claus pull yer leg?"
Umm, yes? Every christmas for atleast the past 25 years?
I mean, people aren't even sure if he lives on the North Pole, on Korvatunturi or somewhere in Siberia! Wonder what else he's been lying about all these years... I bet he doesn't even pay his taxes, with his status as a fantasy creature and all. -
- CommentAuthorshikitohno
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2010
That's true, SantaClaus,but the snuff produced here here has traditionally had very little history of nasal use past maybe the mid 1800s. When you're talking of a totally different product that falls outside the legal definition, they need to either modify the language of the laws to specifically include nasal snuff, or come up with a new warning label. Of course, I have little hope for any label conceived by the FDA. It'll probably say "Warning: your nose will fall off and you will die if you ever use this!" despite al the evidence of snuff's benign nature. -
i was at the local smokeshop the other day
and the camel snus signs in the shop had the big
this product can cause mouth cancer warning on them
only about 20 % of the ad thou .
soon all cigarettes snuff etc will look like a UK pack of cigs no doubt
in the usa .. the 50 % of the front of a pack has to be warnings i believe
in 2012 -
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CommentAuthorPremium Parrots
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2010
omg my sticks gona fall apart? mama always said it woud fall off if I didn't behave myself.;) -