Toque tins

Hi all, I was just wondering about the Toque tins and the problem with the aluminum going "out of round" making them hard to open and close. I know this topic was brought up here a few years ago and the OP got alot of flack [mostly because of his attitude I believe] from the members here. I use a variety of snuff and as such it takes forever to finish a tin. I realize that I can always take a moment to round the tins out again with my fingers but was wondering if Roderik had any plans in the future to use a higher quality tin. This gets alittle aggraving at times as my snuffs last several years and I open and close them alot.

Roderik, if there is a plausable reason to continue using these tins please let me know. I will understand and surely appreciate your reasoning.

Yea....I know I should consume more snuff then I wouldn't have this problem.

On a more positive note; I love the embossed lines on the edge. They make it easier for these old arthritic fingers to get a grip. Some of the tins from other suppliers are very difficult for me to open and once in awhile i will spill some of my brown gold.

I understand this this is a minor problem but I was curious if maybe Roderik might be up for a change in the future.

Don't hate me cuz I'm old and handicapped.





no jokes about being mentally challanged please......;)

Snuffin

I've noticed that they do tend to bend out of shape as well although other than that, I really do have n problem with them. Awesome product. However I will say that the tins that are used are probably used as they are cheap to make thus increasing profit margins.

bob

I hate the toque tins. The problem with the last post about definatly was the guys additude about it. I was expecting him to say heads will roll and the streets will run red with the blood of tin makers. I just hate how when I order a toque tin it gets to me bent to hell.

tom502

I like the Toque tins. Sometimes they can get sorta oblong, but I found them easy to just bend back to round.

Dominicshore

i find this happens however i have never found a tin to be unusable

Nachman

At least they are threaded. Just don't carry them in your pocket.

biskup666

I like the Toque tins, they seem to be solid and it's impossible for them to open in my pocket. I had a problem described by Premium Parrots with one tin only, also the screw on the top part of the tin kind of broke and I can't close it properly anymore. However it happened to only one tin that I bought quite long time ago, I didn't experience any problems with tins from my other orders.

bob

What the hell! I get one that doesn't come to me like that. What's going on here.

SnuffHead

I've had a few of the Toque 25g tins jam and had to use maulers to open. I only order the 10 g tins now and think there great. OK, maybe not too strong but then they are aluminium. I think Roderick went this way with the tins to cut down on the postage.

Bart

They aren't bad. I just make sure I press down lightly and look across the top of the lid before turning, so there's no cross-threading. The only strange thing I've seen on the last couple tins is the circular cardboard insert under the lid wants to always fall out when I open up. No big deal, though

whistlrr

I haw bought a LOT of toque tins... one came a bit dented looking, another a 25g of Cheese & Bacon doesn't really clsoe all the way (just keeps spinning to 'almost snug" 'almost closed' then goes loose again). most of them (in both 10g and 25g) have been alright

I just most of all really wish snuff makes would make more uniform shaped containers (not to mention would be good and air tight), would make stacking and storing loads easier if they did

Bart

I did receive three or four tins with some kind of coin in them which promptly threw out. That's the only other strange thing that I recall

bob

you're joking about the coins right. Thanks for reminding me I hate 25 grm tins the 10ers are totaly fine with no problem.

Xander

LOL, Bart.

Roderick

As everyone here knows I have an open policy with Toque and am happy to discuss anything bar our recipes.

The first batch of 25g tins we bought from this company had a fail rate of nearly 50% which I felt was outrageous. I had paid half upfront and all the company was prepared to do was take them back and replace them with a new batch. This new batch has a much lower, but still significant fail rate of 7%. What is covered in this “acceptable” fail rate is tins shearing their threads. At the time the only other tins available were the conventional snuff tins. These are significantly cheaper, but, as most are aware, have their own set of problems.

The good news is the 10g tins are far superior; the bad news is we have approximately a years supply of the 25g tins left, however the best news is we have now found an almost perfect tin that will be replacing them when they are finished.

If anyone has any problems with a tin, and doesn’t have a snuff box to decant the contents into, just let me know and I will get a replacement tin included with your next order.

Roderick

Nice one Bart.

PremiumParrots

I'm quite sure that Roderik picked the aluminum tins because they are highly unlikely to corrode like steel tins. Maybe tins with alittle less aluminum and more alloy would be less likely to bend easily. Yea the lighter weight was probably another thing Roderik took into consideration when making his choice.

Its a great design and size all a round.......they just don't stay round. ;)

sandy130674

I only buy the 10g tins, and only one out of the 30 odd I've bought (a tin of Absinthe) had a knackered thread - which I had to decant to an old 10g Wilsons tin. The main problem is my clumsiness. I drop tins very often. With my McChrystals and Wilsons tins, this is not a problem, but the Toque tins deform and dent very easily so that they become impossible to close again. Call me odd, but I now keep my daily snuffs in old 5g Wilsons tins. I love them. I would be perfectly happy if Toque used the same tins as Wilsons of Sharrow, and if they're cheaper, even better. But I may be in the minority.

kjoerup

I only buy the 25g Toque tins, and I've bought quite a few, I tell you. I'm addicted to the 6 for 5 deal. The only problem I have with these tins is that usually 4 out of the 6 arrive with dents, but as noted above, they are easy enough to fix. Only in my last order did I encounter a failure. The tin of Peppermint opened itself and so did the plastic bag. A lot of the snuff spilled into the envelope, but at least about half of it was still in the bag, so I managed to salvage around 12 or so grams. I never had this problem before, so I really do think it's an anomaly.

I ought to emphasize that this is not Roderick's fault. I blame it on rough handling by the post office.

For what it's worth, the best tins bar none are the 10g ones Lush uses for their lip balms: non-rusting solid aluminum (not at all flimsy), the best screw threads ever to be put on a tin, period. Yes, these make perfect snuff tins, and I reuse them for that. These will never open in your pocket, guaranteed. All snuff should come in these.

BradMajors

I always immediately decent the contents of Toque tins into old Fribourg and Treyer tins. I'm pleased to hear there's improved tins on the way as they're currently probably the worst on the market.

whistlrr

my 'snuff tin' (where my mixes go mostly) is one of the McChrystal's S'nuff little tins. If I am going to go out I'll still take a bullet. if its a snuff that wont work well in a bullet then I just have to use it at home (czech tool is working okay for now at home, but dont want to hve it out using it in public, its too big in my hand and looks quirky or something to me)

EDITED to add -- plus having a tin and largey foldy czech tool (things I also only have one each of) are just too more things I an lose or leave behind more than a bullet I can pop back in its fanny pack pocket. If I had one of those nice little snuff spoons that might go on a lanyard it might be different. for now this is good for couch and computer.

robbo

My 2 cents: I think an F&T style tin would be perfect - or at least a tin of the same gauge.

London Jack

Its the "mickey mouse" labels I cant stand. Why, when we have a proud tradition of snuff production going back to the seventeen hundreds and beautiful labels like WoS and F&T, does Toque produce something that looks like it belongs in a cheap comic. No one would consider putting a label like this on a bottle of wine so why do it to snuff.
Incidentally, I have just thought of a way to get rid of all those faulty 25g tins. It involves the label designer but would not be allowed under the UN charter as it would be considered "cruel and unusual" punishment

Xander

Sometimes tradtions can me an impediment to introducing new product, or opening up to a new generation. Toque's labels are deliberately contemporary.

I've seen less classy wine labels. Plenty of them.

London Jack

I was speaking from an Englishmans point of view. Obviously, different cultures are impressed by different things.

SnuffHead

Let's not fall-out over this. I too like to go in my old unspoilt English Pub with a tin of snuff with 'Est. 1737 Made in the UK' printed on the label.

hooked

From an Americans point of view, I like the tins and the label. What's wrong with snuff, is that no new marketing has been tried since the seventeen hundreds. Kudos to Toque. But maybe... I'm partial to Mickey Mouse!

SnuffHead

In this day and age it is nice to see some old established companies still carrying on. So to is it to see new, smaller ones opening and then growing.

London Jack

Whoops, sorry if I have offended anyone. Just read my last posting again and see it could be misinterpreted as being sarcastic. It was just meant to be an observation.

hooked

Hey London, non taken. I have to agree, I think the F&T tins are the coolest on the planet, but they also come at a premium. My observation is this, if the government mandated 'THIS TOBACCO PRODUCT CAN DAMAGE...' warnings gets any larger there won't be any need for label differences.

Xander

@ London Jack: Oh, please excuse me. I had completely forgotten that taste and class were exclusive to English culture.

BradMajors

@Xander: Hehe ! Good to see a nice bit of dry sarcasm isn't exclusive to the Brits :o)

On the Toque label front, I must side with London Jack though. Somebody recently described them as being similar to a power tool logo; I'd have to agree.

Roderick

Oop's I think my glass chin just cracked! Don’t worry guys I can take it.

The reason we commissioned our modern label design was that all the other designs that were proffered all looked like they were designed in the 18th century and that just felt so fraudulent. We were a new company, launching a new snuff, in 2006. We were attempting to attract younger smokers over to snuff and equally hoping to appeal to experienced snuff takers looking for a modern snuff experience that was a little different.

However, just for all the diehards out there, we have a little project in the pipeline that I think may put a smile on your faces. As they say ‘watch this space’.

matsnuffs

I like Toque tins, for the reason that Roderick specified: new snuff=new label.
But just because I'm young and American doesn't mean I don't enjoy the old designs as well...in fact I love them! I told my wife I was going to get the Wilsons of Sharrow pinch guy on the tin tattooed on me, jokingly of course, but she took me serious and nearly freaked out...lol!

bigmick

Mat, that's a great idea! I've been looking for a new tat that would be something meaningful. I refuse to get a tat that has no meaning and I may have to give this idea some thought.

( i wonder what reward Roderick would offer to get the Toque label done on my calf? Without the warning label.) lol

bruteforce&ignorance

I actually like the Toque logo and design. Faux vintage has always looked cheesy to me. A Georgian era label for a company founded in the 21st century would be the snuff equivalent of the Excalibur in Vegas.
Roderick, have you ever thought of sponsoring a cycling team? That logo looks custom made for it!
Nice to meet you all.

London Jack

Yep, suppliers of fine snuffs since four years ago would not impress.

Gimpy1261

Yep, suppliers of fine snuffs since four years ago would definetly impress.
I'm Impressed that he has made it through hard work and customer satisfaction for 4 years. Besides being a very nice Guy to boot.
Ed

London Jack

Dont get confused between the man and the product. Torque is a producer, but without a marketing budget. So they go for the "personality cult" to try and improve market share and it is working to an extent. Say anything anti toque on this forum and either toque dives in, or the fan club does. This reinforces the "toque is good" "toque is caring" toque is perfect" concept.
Its just a Public Relations ploy. I use to be an exec with a major Public Relations cconsultancy so I know it when I see it.
Nice little story for the papers. Man working from home mixes it with the big boys. Britis start up goes international ,ad infinitum.
Great if you like the snuff and great if you like the man, but understand why.

bruteforce&ignorance

I don't know, London Jack. This seems such a niche market that I find it hard to believe than an elaborate marketing plot is necessary to entice a few hundreds. I just appreciate the fact that Toque is making snuff a contemporary thing and a living tradition, rather than something serving historical reenactment purposes.

PieterClaassen

Boys and girls, we stand united as snuff lovers, be it old and antique or new and modern. Let's not bite each other. The Toque tins are more practical than the Wilsons/McChrystals/Tranters. I don't care about the labels because all it says is what's in the tin. A nice label can't make bad snuff better. Good snuff can't be harmed by an unsightly label. F&T tins are VERY nice and VERY unpractical. The snuff inside is what it's all about.

Let's talk about the snuff and leave the tins alone.

Pike Mopers

My two cents about the toque tins/logo -
They remind me of what personal web sites looked like in 1998. Doesn't mean I won't love the snuff though!

London Jack

@bruteforce&ignorance. On the face of it you are absolutely right, but look a little deeper and things change. The strategy is text book stuff so takes very little time to set up. Its not just a matter of enticing a few hundred, but establishing an international presence. This site is an amazingly powerfull marketing tool with snuff lovers from literally all over the world. One tells the next and so on.Its a form of "viral" .Many more people probably read articles on the site than are members and the "click on" ads down the left hand side are 100% targeted to their market.
Gives a whole new dimension to this site, doesnt it.

bob

I don't know toque almost seems too small for that. Maybe I'am totaly wrong. It seems too like most snuff companies are really small including toque. Not really enough of a market. Either way I don't give a fuck (I say that politly.) because it still works out well for me. Hell even if toque is getting free market research with a character actor I'am still very happy with the results seriously they make a great grape snuff (which is always mislabeled as champagne for some reason). Though I have to add the thing that makes me really feel that you're not one hundred percent correct is the fact that unlike every other person I've seen who's been a living coporate mascot (I've seen more then a few, in fact one of my last jobs was a grocery store whos "owner" was obviously a paid actor) he doesn't have that dead sold my soul look in his eyes. And if he is then at least he enjoys it right.

NelsonPipeClub

I'm just amazed that a company would attempt to market a product, or that a man would start a business. Thanks, London Jack. You've really opened my eyes.

Xander

Sometimes snobbery is more blinding than marketing.

London Jack

All I ask is you think about it?

bob

Oh Nelson there are lots of people that market products like that. Reminds me of this club that opened in the town I live in and every hour the same gangsta smooth black man (who looked way to urban to be in this town [please trust me on this one]) in line every hour waiting to get into the club obviously that man was paid to do that. I worked at a place where the owner sold the company he inherited and now he even has a fake wife (the guy is queer as three dollar bill with rockso the clown as the president, of course nothing wrong with that except for how the wife is obviously a cover). Of course to me Roderick reminds me more of the pakistani guy who owns the famous House of Kashmir (was the rock and roll tee shirt head quarters of this town). Who got to know everyone and was friends with every single person he would meet. Both got free work out their customers and you know what I personaly don't mind as I feel it's a pretty even give and take (I'll be happy to know when I enter my viral video finaly for the contest that I'am helping snuff get around a legal issue possibly). As pieter said it's definatly about the snuff. And hell even if Roderick doesn't actualy exsist or is a android or whatever still so glad for every single quality snuff company that exsists. Though I really do just think he's the real deal.
P.S. London I love when people expand peoples knowledge of marketing. It's one of my personal missions right up there with the ruining of terrible news stories as often as possible (even though I only got two under my belt, they are both great stories.)

Roderick

LondonJack,
I normally try not to get involved, however I feel I have to respond.

Firstly let me defend snuffhouse.org. This site was never setup for commercial gain; Alex set it up for the small band of snuff lovers he knew were out there and to put them in touch with each other. The 4 supporting ads down the side hardly cover his hosting costs.

As for me, well I have suffered some of the worst and some of the best service companies can give and I know which I prefer. Of course I want Toque to succeed; I want Toque to be the best company it can be and to produce the best snuff we can make. I want to offer our customers the best service they have ever experienced and to be glad they bought our snuff. I want as many smokers to switch to snuff as we can reach and above all I want to go to bed at night tired and happy.

I’m never going to make a fortune making snuff, but I love doing it all the same. We have no flash marketing teams or PR departments, just me. Remember this, we’re only on this planet for a very short time and is it so bad to want to be remembered for doing the best you could. There are far too many companies and people willing to rip you off every day. Why not give a little support to the ones who don’t.

Walrus1985

Here, here Roderick!

Stefan

bob

Hell Roderick what ever you and toque really are (gnomish wrangler is my favorite theory) doesn't matter. Good snuff and good service well as long as you aren't Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, or Ida Amean (my spelling which I prefer) I don't really care too much about the details.