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      CommentAuthorSmarvy
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2007
     # 1
    Aloha all,

    I have a topic to bring up for discussion: Do you consider snuffing a habit or a hobby. I call it one of my hobbies, and my friends all think that quaint description is quite amusing. I grant that this hobby does contain nicotine, and that it is addictive, but due to the diverse amount of flavors, tobacco types, accessories and related conversation, I have so much fun snuffing that I can't help thinking of it this way. I don't know for certain, but I doubt there is a cigarette board out there that gets this kind of interesting discussion; what is there to talk about? I didn't get into snuff to quit smoking, I have always done it because I enjoy all the various aspects of it. I love talking about snuff, here and with my local friends, and I enjoy taking snuff... quite a lot actually! I like fiddling with my different little snuff accessories, taking snuff with all the different little tools that I have acquired. I've got quite the handkerchief collection going, every time I order from Rajek's I get a new handkerchief, because they have a good variety of colors and designs (I like the Bavarian crest one, although the material is a bit coarse and thin, unfortunately). I also enjoy the international nature of this hobby, we have people from many areas of the globe contributing here on this site, and it really is entertaining. At this point I must thank Alex for providing such an excellent gathering place. Anyhow, I will quit rambling here.

    Your thoughts?

    Aloha,
    Justin
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      CommentAuthorAlex
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2007
     # 2
    I started to snuff several years ago, just being interested in it. Than I forgot about it and restarted some years ago, too. I guess I like old things which have a nice history. Reading books about snuff makes it even worse (respectively more interesting). As I sometimes forget about it for days or being too busy with other things, I feel I am not addicted to it. That's why I would call it a hobby myself.

    The amount of people snuffing and being online at the same time seems to be quite limited, which makes it even more attractive to me. I do not like mass things even though this might not be an argument. Having this little community here with all these nice people from around the globe I would not have met otherwise makes me feel it cannot be that bad.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2007
     # 3
    Agreeing with both Justin and Alex, I would have to say a hobby. I enjoy the affiliation that I have here with the gentlemen who visit this site. Knowing that we share common bonds in snuffing and through this association the hobby begins....meeting new people,the sharing of ideas,opinions,and new finds(diffrent blends,manufactures,gadgets).I do not classify my use as a habit(an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary) because I can go days without even a thought of its use, and when the thought arises it is satiated with its use primarily in the evening when all my duties for the day have subsided and I kick back in my easy chair to relax and reflect.

    Mo
    • CommentAuthorJi
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2007
     # 4
    Hello Justin, Alex, and Mo...

    Wonderful discussion...very well put...For me, I was first introduced to snuff, many years ago, while travelling, (and living, for awhile) in NE Brazil, and Peru. It was here I was first introduced to the cultivation, preparation, use, and respect for Tobacco. I still go back, usually once a year, to meet old friends and to talk to the Plants. Today, I still use tobacco in much the same way I did then. This morning, as I ground the Leaf, (108 slow revolutions, in a clockwise direction), the aroma, essence, the "spirit" being released was all I needed. To simply breathe in, hold it, and exhale, was ....I felt very grateful to be a part of this ancient tradition..I grind tobacco every day. what I don't consume I toss to the Wind...Habit? hobby? Lifestyle? fatal attraction? love affair?....ride the tide...and ENJOY!!!
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      CommentAuthorAlex
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007 edited
     # 5
    I grind tobacco every day.
    Hey, that's a nice habit, isn't it? :-)
    • CommentAuthorJi
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007
     # 6
    Ha!..good one, Alex. I suppose one day someone will ask "is this discussion/forum a habit or a hobby?" LOL.
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      CommentAuthorAlex
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007
     # 7
    As long as you keep discussing, I don't care. :-D
    • CommentAuthorMerlin228
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2007
     # 8
    A hobby. No doubt about it. My Hobby, however, is a bit different. It's Tobaccania. ALL things tobacco. Forms of ingestion, accessories and various oddities that go along with..ect. It's a working collection to say the least.
    • CommentAuthorAlvin
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2007
     # 9
    I agree--all forms of tobacco are interesting, and most of them pretty good.
    One good thing about snuff as opposed to smoking is it is pretty easy to stop snuffing for a few days. Far as I can tell, the order of difficulty for stopping using the form of tobacco is this, starting with the hardest--cigarettes, pipe, cigars, chew, snuff, creamy snuff (a sort of toothpaste). Never tried tobacco enemas, but they were quite popular with native Americans in South America and probably elsewhere. Sounds nutty at first, but why not?
    Since snuff is easy to quit using, it makes tobacco use much more of a hobby than a habit or addiction. Even still, there is a nicotine buzz that I do miss after a time...
    • CommentAuthorMerlin228
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
     # 10
    Alvin,

    Your mostly correct in your order of difficulty, however I would venture to say that chewing tobacco should be before pipes and cigars. The level of nicotine is much higher in chew and moist snuff (dip) than pipes and cigars. Tobacco enemas? Hmm....thats a new one for me. Can't imagine theres much enjoyment there...it would be akin to freebasing tobacco....lol.
    • CommentAuthorAlvin
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007 edited
     # 11
    Merlin, you might be right. I wonder what others think about the order. For me, it may simply be that smoking is toooo good, so it is harder for me to control. If I stick to snuff and snus, tobacco is mainly a hobby. But if I start smoking (love pipes), then it becomes an addiction. While I am at it, would you mind recommending a couple of good pipe tobaccos? I have not smoked a pipe regularly for over twenty years. Last time I tried, I thought the tobacco was pretty disappointing. I like pretty strong stuff, a bit earthy, fullsome smoke, with some "weight." Maybe the smoke equivalent of Latakia snuff or F&T's Princes.
    Hope Alex doesn't mind us bringing up other kinds of tobacco here. I think this site should be mainly about snuff, but have some detours into other types. As for tobacco enemas, I have read that they were used quite often by native Americans and that, among other effects, they can rid the body of intestinal worms. They also made a liquor and drank the stuff, also in part as a cure for worms. If anyone wants to try this, BE CAREFUL, as a tobacco enema can be fatal!
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      CommentAuthorAlex
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
     # 12
    Hope Alex doesn't mind us bringing up other kinds of tobacco here.
    Not at all.
    • CommentAuthorMerlin228
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2007
     # 13
    Alvin,

    I'd Reccomend Dunhills 965. If you like Latakia I equate it to the Texas of pipe tobacco. Thats one of my favorites, or..Ratrays 3 noggins (be careful with this one, it can bite). Earthy, Try erinmore flake, or anything by samual gawith. 1792 flake is good. My ALL TIME FAVORITES.... anything by Cornell & Diehl. try mississippi mud. Some good english blends are from Mcleland. No. 6, and frog morton are supreme.
    • CommentAuthorAlvin
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2007
     # 14
    Merlin:
    Thanks!
    I will try these and let you know how it goes.
    • CommentAuthorAlvin
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2007
     # 15
    Merlin:
    My local tobacconist did not have any of the ones you recommend. So I got one of his bulk items called "Black Kathy." It is a very dark, strong Cavendish--looks like F&T's Princes before being ground. Don't know who makes this stuff but it seems pretty good to me.
    If you have any other input on pipes or pipe tobaccos, I would most appreciate it. I guess I will put in an order with Marrs, but I want to try the pipe for a while to see if I even want to start again. So far, so good.
    Also, if you, or anyone, knows of a "cleaner" pipe tobacco--no additives, maybe even organic--that still burns well and tastse good, please let me know.
    Thanks, A
    • CommentAuthorredfx
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008 edited
     # 16
    i find its a bit of both , as i love my nicotine and getting it in snuff is just a revelation to me.but ive made a hobby out of it now for sure -theres a lot of pleasure to be had out there and im not going to let my addiction to nicotine get in the way or rather stop me in this new and safer pursuit of nicotine and tobacco pleasure.
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      CommentAuthorlofat
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     # 17
    I don't really get my nicotine fix via snuff. I feed my 'habit' with snus, the occasional cans of domestic dip etc. Cigarettes were also a habit for me a few years ago. Now a days I can have a few smokes if I am out at a bar or something and be fine, but if they are around the house I'll tend to smoke em up. ;) I smoke cigars when I golf or when the weather permits some leisurely porch time - and that too is more hobby than anything else.

    Snuff is pure hobby fodder for me. I really geek out on it and research the heck out of brands, regions, and types.

    You guys got me thinking about re-trying pipes again...

    Cheers,
    S
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      CommentAuthormerdock69
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     # 18
    Snuff is probably more hobby for me. I'll often go the weekend without snuffing, and the only time I really partake is at work and just before my nightly shower. I enjoy the nicotine hit, but don't really miss it when its not around. Snuff is the only form of tobacco I use.
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      CommentAuthorRoderick
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     # 19
    Interesting point you’re making, in the summer of last year I met a professor of addictions at a British university (better not say which) and he told me he liked to use snuff but he had never found it addictive. I think it is useful to break the addiction in smokers and chewing tobacco users and can then be picked up and put down at will. I’m going to raise this in another topic and see what people feel.
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      CommentAuthormerdock69
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     # 20
    Maybe this answers the questions of why big tobacco doesn't make a significant investment in snuff. The risk that people will put it down and not continue to purchase may just be a risk they're not willing to take. Especially if they've already got a captive audience of smokers...
    • CommentAuthorSatyr
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2008 edited
     # 21
    Hobies can turn into habits. Habits can turn into hobies. They are one and the same. Is it a bad thing? That depends on who you ask and what their hoby is. For me, snuffing is a little bit of both. At least there's some culture involved.