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Dental Snuff

MrSnuffMrSnuff Posts: 1,469
edited April 2009 in General
Check this out: Not sure if this has been posted before but I always thought Dental meant simply you put it in your mouth.

Who'd've thought!

Titre du document / Document title
Robert W. Morgan, DDS : U.S. Army Dental Corps, founder and creator of Dental snuff = Robert W. Morgan, dentiste de l'armée américaine, fondateur et créateur du Dental Snuff, un chewing-gum qui élimine les caries dentaires
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
CHRISTEN Arden G. (1) ; CHRISTEN Joan A. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Department of Oral Biology at the Indiana University School of Dentistry, ETATS-UNIS
Résumé / Abstract
During his early adulthood, Robert Withers Morgan (1844-1904), a lifelong resident of Lynchburg, Virginia and a Civil War veteran, worked as an apprentice-trained dental practitioner. He did not become a professional dentist until 1881, when he graduated from the Baltimore College of Dental Surgery. In the late 1870s, Morgan developed the first medicated, therapeutic, anticariogenic chewing gum which he marketed as Dental Chewing Gum. Although he did not reveal the exact preventive ingredient, it appeared to be some form of antiseptic or antacid which he claimed could retard or eliminate dental caries. His advertising motto for this product was: Preserves the Teeth. During the same time frame, Dr. Morgan added the identical preventive ingredients to snuff and chewing tobacco. His product, Dental Snuff, was widely ballyhooed by means of advertising cards which claimed that it would relieve toothache, cure neuralgia and scurvy, prevent decay and preserve and whiten the teeth. This product, also called Dental Sweet Snuff or Dental Scotch Snuff, is still being produced in Tennessee. However, the manufacturer no longer makes claims concerning its therapeutic efficacy. In 1898, Dr. Morgan proposed and authored the first military dental bill ever presented to the U.S. Congress. This action eventually led to the creation of a full-fledged U.S. Army dental service. Because of his efforts, Morgan was chosen as one of the three examiners and supervising dental surgeons to select the prescribed quota of thirty Army dentists. In July 1901, Dr. Morgan was assigned as a dental surgeon in Havana, Cuba. Three years later, he died of an unspecified tropical disease which was contracted during this assignment.

Comments

  • Z_2KZ_2K Posts: 239
    Sounds to me like Dr. Morgan was a 'snake oil' salesman.
  • "preserve and whiten the teeth" LOL
  • James_SJames_S Posts: 550
    Kinda reminds me of the Camel ads from the 1950s: "What brand of cigarette do YOU smoke, doctor?" with a pic of some grinnin' sawbones with a Camel hangin' from his gob...
  • anyone use scotch snuff orally from time to time ?? i do.
  • Bruton and checkerberry make great dips IMO.
  • I pretty much snuff scotches only but once in a great while I will dip some Wild Cherry or Lorillards. Checkerberry would be a good dip because in the nose it smells just like a freshly opened green can of Skoal
  • "claimed that it would relieve toothache"

    That's True
    Nicotine dulls pain by interacting with certain receptor molecules in the brain.
  • SpyroSpyro Posts: 969
    I remember reading that very article a while back after I bought a can of Dental Mild at a store. There were postings on this a while back but I don't recall all of it. Last I heard it was still in question as to whether American scotches were ever intended to be snuffed by design. The rare old timers I've talked to put it in their mouth and seem stunned that anyone sniffs tobacco up their nose.
  • XanderXander Posts: 7,382
    I doubt any of those old timers were alive pre 1850 when nasal use was still popular.
  • SpyroSpyro Posts: 969
    True Xander. Its entirely possible that nasal use was forgotten. My Garret can is inscribed with "United States Patent Office Oct. 25, 1870" Just below that is a logo bearing a quasi-masonic emblem and containing the words TRADE MARK 1782. Maybe patent records can reveal if these were originally marketed as nasal snuff, oral snuff, or just unspecified tobacco. Since most American snuffs have oral health warnings on the can, one might safely conclude that at some point in time oral use was recognized as a common method, or at least common enough to illicit a warning or CYA label. But that tells us nothing about the original situation.
  • XanderXander Posts: 7,382
    Its nasal snuff, used, marketed and regulated as oral tobacco. I'm not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp for some people.

    Dental, in particlular was originally marketed as a dentrifice, or tooth powder, but like the other scotch snuffs they are simply copies of Garrett. So its still a nasal snuff becuase of the way its made. I'm not sure which brands pre-date the nasal use to oral use transition period, but it really makes no difference since they are all still scotch snuffs and pretty much variations on a theme.
    Most of the same brand names all had multiple styles at one time like Maccoboys, Toasts, Rappees, etc. The gradual diminishing of nasal use killed those brands off. I'm glad we at least have something left of a once thriving industry, and if it weren't for the dippers we would even have what we do.
  • SpyroSpyro Posts: 969
    @Xander
    I went back and re-read some of the old posts and history summaries. (American snuff history would make a great mini-series btw) I see what you mean now. I guess the old saying is true, the only thing new is the history you haven't learned yet.
  • XanderXander Posts: 7,382
    edited February 2011
    I was thinking about it a little more. The irony is that dipping has saved American snuff. France, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy to name a few, all once had very rich snuff traditions. Now they have nothing, except what they import.
  • bobbob Posts: 6,741
    Does make a fellow sad doesn't it? I would love to try some French, spanish, portugalian, Irelandish, or Italyly snuffs. That would be good.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    @Xander your knowledge of snuff is enlightening.I'm myself a snuff factory owner but never knew that anyone would have such knowledge of snuff history.I'm humbled.
  • XanderXander Posts: 7,382
    edited April 2011
    @Vikas: Thank you for the compliment, but I just have a good memory. Nearly everything I know about snuff I read on this forum or in articles and books linked to from the forum.
    You've already learned to find old posts, and you will discover a wealth of information in them.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    I have joined just yesterday and I can't just get off this site.!!
    Anyway I'm also a regular snuffer
  • bobbob Posts: 6,741
    This site will help you become a seasoned snuff too and not just someone with tobacco in their nose. Again thank you Snuffhouse for helping us all find out more about our hobby. Probably never would have even tried toque without this website to be honest. To think about it wouldn't be planning on trying more indian snuffs.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    You are right bob. Snuff is my passion. I'm in this trade for the last 20 years traveling all over India to promote my snuff. This site is just like a window to the world of snuff
  • bobbob Posts: 6,741
    it's amazing isn't it. For the longest time I was the only snuffer I knew. If it wasn't for this site I would have taken a lot longer to find out snuff is still made in india or anywhere that isn't germany or england actualy.
  • ServetusServetus Posts: 48
    @Vikas. Welcome to the forum, what was the first snuff you tried? What is your current favorite? BTW looking forward to purchasing White Cheeta in the future.
  • ddavelarsenddavelarsen Posts: 593
    The wealth of snuff history that I've read here or read from links here is truly a wonder. When I first took up snuffing I went looking for snuff forums; there's surely a forum for every human passion and I thought for sure there would be at least one good snuff forum. I found Snuffhouse right away of course, but all the threads I looked at were from 2009 and I thought: dead forum. I went so far as to ask Dave at Mr Snuff if he'd support a snuff forum, and he recommended - Snuffhouse. So I came back and was able to find some current posts and it's been Snuffhouse for me ever since. I'm truly thankful for the members here who share their knowledge and ideas so freely.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    @serveteus thanx!I'm hooked onto super kailash for years
  • PrismasterPrismaster Posts: 849
    i am looking forward to try this. next order i am on my way.

    to get a bit back in direction of the topic: i personally find the idea of a toothpulver more then interesting and i have to stay that i never ever had something like a toothpulver before. i guess i will have to give this kind of use a try when i get the super lailash.
    i like to dip my scotch snuff from time to time and i am planning to try the method when you use a hickeroy wig - dont know how to get such a wig over here but i will look for something similair.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    In india the use of snuff as a dentifrice is immense.what I can make out from my travel all over the country may be 90% of the snuff is used as such
  • BartBart Posts: 1,480
    Make sure you ask about for a hickory twig, not a wig, Prismaster.
    There's nothing much worse than getting all that hair stuck in ones teeth, LOL!

    I've tried it with a twig. It's rather gritty. I guess it would be good to try and see, but it wasn't my thing.
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    In india people just use their forefinger to massage snuff on their gums and teeth.
  • PrismasterPrismaster Posts: 849
    @Bart thanks for the hint pal ;-) i am not sure if i will find some hickory twig over here or something near to that. the whole methode isnt totally clear yet but i will give it a try in the future, just for pure curiosity
  • Pike MopersPike Mopers Posts: 537
    Anyone have tips on 'dipping' checkerberry? I put some in my lip and it just gets all over my teeth and feels awful. Do people moisten it so it stays in a little ball like a snus pris? Or do you just enjoy the sandy snuff all over your lips?
  • sixphotosixphoto Posts: 314
    I think moist snuff types are better suited for dipping
  • XanderXander Posts: 7,382
    @Pike Mopers nope, and checkerberry is much more forgiving than the scotches. Its a altogether very messy process. The only tip I can offer is to wash out your mouth throughly when finished.
  • Mark WMark W Posts: 444
    I like dipping scotches and sweets. It can be messy at first, but once it is in place it is good. It stays together well, and it tastes great. It usually doesn't make your mouth water alot, like moist snuff dip.
  • BrandasaurBrandasaur Posts: 543
    I dip Starr Scotch a lot, I just use the handle of a thin spoon, dip it into the container so theres about a 3mm tall mound on it. Then just pull the lip out and dump it in. After a little practice it gets easier to get it on the gums instead of on the teeth.
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