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    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 1
    The following is a whisper from Hydrahead:

    "Dethklok fucking rules!!!
    Oh and I think the stupid British pig should go choke on some bangers and mash and fucking die. DIE YOU BASTARD DIE!!!"

    I agree that certain things are best ignored, and that this individual is probably some kid but there are surely limits to what we as a group tolerate.

    As I said earlier this will happen more and more; we need moderators. Offensive arguments are one thing but this is certainly beyond what I will put up with.

    Has anyone got any way of contacting Alex?
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      CommentAuthorSnuffy
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 2
    I haven't seen Alex in a while. I didn't check back on this forum for a month or two, and now that I've returned there is all this talk about moderators and such. I think it is sad that we can't act as adults, and although we shouldn't need moderators it seems more and more like people are getting out of hand.
    I elect Lazarus, Troutstroker, and Nightcap for such a position. They are full of knowledge and I think they could pull it together.
    That's just my opinion. Take it for what it is.
    ~Snuffy
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      CommentAuthorLazarus
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008 edited
     # 3
    Hydrahead has been acting strangely lately. I don't know why but I received a very odd PM from him the other day too. It wasn't abusive like the post above but it was non-sensical.

    Alex has been AWOL for sometime now...has anyone tried sending him an email to his personal address listed on his profile?

    I'm glad to see a few members have voiced their support for me becoming a Mod. I think its important to protect this forum from trolls & abusive posters. If we could track down Alex we could sort it out...I wonder if hes on holiday or something.
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      CommentAuthorSnuffy
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 4
    *Promotional Commercial*
    Elect Lazarus '08.
    Lazarus promises to stop the trolls and abusive posters.
    He will stop any taxes on snuff for middle class families (He told me this....HA)
    Can you afford not to elect him?
    "This message approved by Snuffers for Lazarus (SFL)"
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 5
    It might be an idea to use this thread to store any personal attacks for referance? My point is that it has gone over the line when you get whispers - a whisper amounts to a personal email and in actual fact the above message would be illegal if sent in the UK.

    I can understand the desire to act like adults but we have to wake up to the fact that there are people out there that are weird, dysfuntional etc and we have absolutely no defence beyond ignoring it at the moment. What if this kid decides to use this forum to post offensive images or whatever here, just to cause aggravation. Having no mechanism to deal with this is like leaving your front door unlocked at night because you think everyone should act nice!

    This will continue to get in the way of us enjoying our hobby unless we act, I second Snuffy's suggestions for those moderators.
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 6
    SFL!! I couldn't agree more, laz is an honourable and decent man, Lazarus 08!!
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      CommentAuthorLazarus
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008 edited
     # 7
    @ Snuffster: Thats a good idea mate, keep a record of any more abuse. When Alex finally returns it will be a useful source of info. From my own experience Alex deals with these situations quickly and fairly so when he does return he'll sort it out.

    @ Snuffy: LOL
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      CommentAuthorSnuffy
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 8
    Alright then. Snuffster and I are the founding members of the SFL. Will anyone else join us? I'm going to dedicate a thread to such.
    ~Snuffy
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 9
    Hey Snuffy, let things develop here and then we'll run the election campaign on another thread. We don't know his position yet, and he is certainly a very busy man at the moment
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      CommentAuthorSnuffy
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2008
     # 10
    Started the thread.
    =]
    ~Snuffy
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      CommentAuthorTroutstroker
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008 edited
     # 11
    This is something I've discussed with snuffster & merdock69 before.

    I think we need a policy new members have to read before they join like a 'code of conduct' user agreement would be great, and possibly keep the policy a sticky at the top of page or somewhere easily seen. And maybe something all current members have to agree to before they can continue using the forum. You can no longer use the excuse "this is a public forum & a free country, I can say what I want". That way they are held responsible if they are abusive or rude & are in violation of the forums policy & let it be known in the agreement that they can get booted without question if they violate this agreement. But it has to be a clear violation that was witnessed by other members before they get booted. We don't need people making claims of abuse to get someone booted just because they may not like someone. Every offender should be warned on the first offense & given 1 final chance to obey the policy because a slip of the tongue/keyboard does happen. If they screw up again, they need to be banned. But this raises another problem, If someone is banned, who's to say they just won't create another account under a different name if they are determined to be an ass.
    • CommentAuthorejacerooni
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 12
    snuffster i curious how that would be illegal if it was an email in the uk. what law does it violate?

    yep, trout i agree. I for oneread the tones and see how and what prior members post on forums to determine what is and is not tollerated. Simple rule that usually works quite well, but obvoesly some of the nubs do not pratice this policy. and therefore a code of conduct would be quite nice.
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 13
    I don't know all the technical details but it's possible to ban an IP address. They could still create another account but it'd likely have to be from a different location. So at least they'd still suffer some inconvenience.
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      CommentAuthorlxskllr
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 14
    "I don't know all the technical details but it's possible to ban an IP address."

    Most people have a dynamic ip address, and could get a new one by restarting their router. You could ban ranges of addresses, but I think that would be casting the net too wide.
  1.  # 15
    Matt, that won't work for the determined. There are many free programs for anonymous web surfing, proxy servers etc. that you can either hide your ip address or bounce around to different ones from right there in your home.

    Like this site Dark Proxy. Its free & all you do is type in the url of where you want to go & presto. Lets you in to any site your blocked from.
  2.  # 16
    Maybe..... Hydrahead IS Alex!
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      CommentAuthornightcap
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008 edited
     # 17
    "Maybe..... Hydrahead IS Alex!"

    WHAT A TWIST!!
      surprise(1).jpg
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 18
    Ejacarooni - it could go across several pieces of legislation depending upon the intent of the author, the situation and the proximity of the author to victim. As a random example, had he intended to make me believe that he would kill me that would be a specific offence known as 'making threats to kill' There is legislation for people who send malicous communications as well as an act that deals with harassment.
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008 edited
     # 19
    Good point Troutstroker and lskllr.
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 20
    Does that mean there is no way of keeping them out if they have sufficient knowledge?

    It would of course send out the right message and keep the less IT aware out.
  3.  # 21
    No way to keep them out unless you dump a lot of money into the site & running cross reference checks against your drivers license & or other identification numbers.
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 22
    Well I suppose there are still a lot of folks like me who wouldn't know this stuff
  4.  # 23
    I vote for Lazarus or Bob. Both have always been very respectful and helpful as far as I know. I am back on the snuff and am enjoying it now more then ever. I hope there are no hard feelings and that I am welcomed back with open arms. But if not then I thank Troutstroker for the info regarding Dark Proxy. OH HELL YA.
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      CommentAuthorlxskllr
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 24
    "I'm guessing his brother or a school mate is playing games using the account. Pretty easy with a bookmarked site, and a remembered password. "

    or not... :^/
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      CommentAuthorSnuffy
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 25
    That was hilarious, nightcap. That would be my reaction, dead on.
    ~Snuffy
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 26
    Hydrahead - what exactly are your motives here? In actual fact with a suffcient explanation you might well be welcomed back. It seems clear that you have some kind of issue, maybe even mental illness - I don't know. If that is the case I see no reason not to support you as long as we understand what your problem is. Something is obviously going wrong for you and you I can see that you need attention. In actual fact you could have all the attention you like by being a genuine member and getting involved in the discussions, but whispering us with obscene remarks really needs to stop.

    I'm no doctor or counsellor but would be more than willing to chat with you. I do have a lot of experience in dealing with people with problems and sometimes it helps to talk things through. This is a genuine offer. If you want to whisper me please do, but please don't waste my time with a lot of swearing and offensive language.

    Alternatively, just become a normal member. It really doesn't matter if you get banned and find a way back in, people will simply ignore you.
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      CommentAuthorSnuff Head
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 27
    Oh!...........But keep quiet, the idiots will read the above...Don't give them ammunition.
  5.  # 28
    I would like nothing more then to be a participating member. I really could use some friends right now, honestly. Iam going through quite a lot in my personallife and lashed out in a immature way. I chose not to whisper this so that everyone could see my position. I AM SORRY
    • CommentAuthorsnuffster
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2008
     # 29
    I for one accept that apology, and you have my sympathy for whatever is causing you pain. Welcome back.
  6.  # 30
    Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.